Law School Rankings - 2021

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Rank Name % w/ debt Avg. debt LSAT 50th GPA 50th Peer r. Legal r. Accept. Employ. JD+ employ. Bar pass Student-faculty
1 Yale University 66.2% $135,680 173 3.94 4.8% 4.7% 7.0% 94.5% 83.41% 124.4% 4.4
16 University of Texas at Austin 59.3% $113,386 168 3.76 4.1% 4.3% 18.0% 87.9% 87.88% 121.0% 6.0
29 Boston College 63.0% $114,838 164 3.69 3.4% 3.8% 32.0% 69.5% 88.26% 112.93% 6.4
50 University of California (Hastings) 74.4% $127,868 158 3.42 3.2% 3.6% 39.0% 48.0% 75.73% 113.91% 8.1
70 University of Kansas 73.5% $84,646 157 3.66 2.7% 3.2% 60.0% 59.8% 86.27% 102.89% 7.3
91 Rutgers University (merged) 75.3% $62,210 156 3.31 2.7% 2.9% 44.0% 72.4% 74.53% 96.01% 8.4
111 Indiana University - Indianapolis 77.4% $97,756 154 3.45 2.5% 2.8% 56.0% 39.8% 77.78% 92.9% 9.1
129 University of Baltimore 153 3.32 55.0% 73.23% 94.53%
147 Ave Maria School Of Law 151 3.37 52.0% 46.97% 78.88%
147 Florida A&M University 147 3.3 34.0% 53.49% 81.99%
147 Northern Illinois University 149 3.2 59.0% 84.34% 106.23%
147 Widener University—Delaware 149 3.22 63.0% 68.27% 73.76%
2 Stanford University 60.8% $146,235 171 3.89 4.8% 4.9% 10.0% 93.6% 90.11% 128.2% 4.4
16 Washington University in St. Louis 63.3% $92,504 169 3.88 3.7% 3.9% 20.0% 88.0% 91.91% 113.25% 4.6
29 University of Illinois—Urbana Champaign 65.1% $80,134 162 3.64 3.2% 3.4% 43.0% 73.9% 94.26% 123.76% 5.0
52 Southern Methodist University 56.4% $140,241 162 3.73 2.7% 3.2% 41.0% 71.5% 89.09% 111.94% 8.5
72 Loyola Marymount University—Los Angeles 73.7% $152,667 160 3.59 2.8% 3.2% 36.0% 48.0% 80.06% 112.34% 9.2
91 Illinois Institute of Technology (Kent) 72.1% $100,593 158 3.48 2.6% 2.8% 47.0% 56.9% 78.88% 107.32% 7.6
111 Stetson University 155 3.44 52.0% 79.76% 108.89%
129 Suffolk University 154 3.44 69.0% 77.7% 82.95%
147 Barry University 148 3.02 59.0% 52.17% 80.17%
147 Florida Coastal School Of Law 149 3.12 46.0% 65.15% 85.85%
147 Northern Kentucky University 152 3.19 65.0% 75.86% 84.57%
3 Harvard University 69.5% $170,866 173 3.88 4.8% 4.8% 13.0% 96.3% 91.99% 125.21% 7.1
16 Vanderbilt University 61.5% $143,293 167 3.82 4.0% 4.1% 23.0% 85.7% 92.34% 121.85% 6.6
29 Brigham Young University 65.7% $51,048 166 3.82 2.9% 3.3% 37.0% 82.2% 83.33% 112.01% 5.7
53 Yeshiva University (Cardozo) 57.3% $112,474 162 3.65 2.9% 3.1% 38.0% 53.1% 85.05% 101.46% 6.0
72 University of Miami 67.8% $140,595 159 3.53 2.9% 3.3% 51.0% 53.8% 78.22% 109.26% 6.4
91 Saint Louis University 79.7% $102,442 155 3.45 2.4% 2.7% 62.0% 72.2% 90.85% 107.52% 6.3
111 University of Tulsa 155 3.38 60.0% 88.64% 102.85%
129 University of Toledo 152 3.43 66.0% 80.0% 103.9%
147 California Western School Of Law 152 3.24 53.0% 61.79% 70.95%
147 Golden Gate University 150 3.02 55.0% 48.6% 62.43%
147 Nova Southeastern University 152 3.19 47.0% 66.37% 92.73%
4 University of Chicago 61.4% $191,117 171 3.89 4.6% 4.7% 18.0% 97.7% 94.55% 126.38% 5.2
19 University of Southern California 64.6% $140,773 167 3.83 3.6% 3.8% 17.0% 86.6% 90.18% 125.22% 6.7
29 University of Wisconsin 75.7% $71,467 163 3.61 3.4% 3.6% 42.0% 75.7% 93.55% 129.89% 7.4
53 University of Richmond 70.7% $114,514 161 3.62 2.8% 3.0% 44.0% 64.8% 81.67% 105.92% 4.8
72 St. John's University 66.3% $123,646 160 3.62 2.4% 2.9% 41.0% 68.2% 90.99% 104.37% 7.9
91 Michigan State University 78.1% $98,421 156 3.56 2.5% 3.0% 59.0% 51.2% 79.74% 105.74% 8.7
111 DePaul University 155 3.41 50.0% 79.81% 93.07%
134 Chapman University 159 3.52 33.0% 74.85% 85.75%
147 Campbell University 152 3.37 63.0% 78.57% 114.59%
147 Liberty University 151 3.4 55.0% 84.31% 119.09%
147 Ohio Northern University 150 3.26 50.0% 82.98% 111.71%
4 Columbia University 65.7% $190,141 172 3.82 4.7% 4.7% 17.0% 98.9% 97.22% 116.73% 5.2
20 Boston University 63.4% $104,584 167 3.8 3.5% 3.6% 25.0% 78.6% 89.68% 113.46% 6.1
35 University of California—Irvine 69.2% $131,786 166 3.61 3.6% 3.5% 20.0% 68.7% 81.56% 116.85% 5.6
53 Temple University 72.9% $86,344 161 3.57 3.8% 3.0% 36.0% 64.4% 90.74% 106.36% 6.6
72 Case Western Reserve University 66.3% $123,646 159 3.5 2.4% 2.9% 47.0% 68.2% 77.62% 103.17% 7.9
91 Howard University 88.0% $109,826 153 3.41 3.0% 3.1% 34.0% 54.9% 78.2% 88.96% 8.6
111 University of Missouri—Kansas City 153 3.43 55.0% 88.41% 101.23%
134 University of Montana 156 3.44 60.0% 77.46% 97.01%
147 Capital University 150 3.21 76.0% 67.33% 92.93%
147 Oklahoma City University 147 3.32 63.0% 72.87% 79.29%
6 New York University 57.7% $174,780 170 3.82 4.6% 4.5% 22.0% 95.6% 89.88% 116.34% 5.8
21 University of Florida (Levin) 65.2% $65,528 165 3.84 3.3% 3.6% 20.0% 79.5% 91.24% 122.55% 5.7
35 Fordham University 60.5% $140,184 164 3.64 3.4% 3.6% 27.0% 74.9% 87.7% 107.04% 6.7
41 George Mason University 64.2% $78,719 164 3.77 2.7% 3.1% 23.0% 75.8% 87.57% 117.09% 4.1
53 Texas A&M University 73.8% $82,886 160 3.76 2.7% 2.7% 22.0% 58.8% 92.31% 116.78% 5.9
60 University of Houston 67.2% $91,014 160 3.57 2.8% 3.0% 34.0% 56.4% 80.95% 110.21% 5.5
72 Wayne State University 67.6% $67,832 159 3.65 2.3% 2.7% 37.0% 61.2% 83.46% 115.54% 6.7
81 University of Kentucky 81.1% $80,368 155 3.54 2.5% 3.0% 61.0% 66.9% 92.64% 98.05% 7.5
96 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville 79.5% $68,877 155 3.61 2.4% 2.6% 54.0% 36.8% 76.92% 103.94% 6.7
98 University of Buffalo—SUNY 77.8% $89,628 155 3.52 2.3% 2.8% 45.0% 55.6% 80.14% 85.63% 5.6
116 Cleveland State University 153 3.35 47.0% 80.68% 95.21%
119 New York Law School 153 3.47 52.0% 87.5% 90.64%
134 Belmont University 156 3.6 39.0% 85.37% 119.48%
141 Creighton University 152 3.25 63.0% 75.0% 89.32%
147 Charleston School Of Law 150 3.2 55.0% 55.67% 66.64%
147 Regent University 155 3.45 51.0% 82.61% 107.3%
6 University of Pennsylvania 62.4% $163,383 170 3.89 4.4% 4.5% 14.0% 95.4% 94.8% 121.81% 4.7
22 University of Minnesota 65.2% $95,274 165 3.77 3.6% 3.6% 36.0% 84.8% 92.41% 116.86% 6.0
35 Washington and Lee University 70.8% $98,982 163 3.63 3.1% 3.7% 37.0% 77.3% 92.73% 116.53% 7.3
41 Wake Forest University 70.4% $99,277 163 3.73 3.1% 3.5% 18.0% 74.9% 90.06% 114.13% 7.4
53 Villanova University 64.3% $92,477 160 3.63 2.6% 3.3% 30.0% 80.0% 93.84% 112.44% 7.5
60 Pennsylvania State - Penn State Law 75.4% $83,475 160 3.72 2.6% 2.9% 38.0% 55.6% 80.42% 110.14% 7.1
72 University of Oregon 80.5% $97,999 157 3.48 2.8% 3.0% 60.0% 49.2% 84.38% 108.49% 8.5
81 American University 76.4% $159,723 160 3.51 3.0% 3.1% 36.0% 49.6% 74.69% 100.13% 7.4
96 University of South Carolina 75.6% $107,610 156 3.5 2.5% 2.9% 47.0% 53.9% 78.54% 107.83% 8.3
102 University of New Mexico 155 3.5 46.0% 70.18% 107.33%
116 West Virginia University 154 3.45 63.0% 73.53% 90.93%
119 University of Wyoming 153 3.4 57.0% 82.86% 100.61%
134 University of Akron 153 3.34 53.0% 82.17% 101.58%
141 University of Arkansas, Little Rock 151 3.41 50.0% 71.07% 91.96%
147 University of Detroit Mercy 152 3.24 54.0% 78.03% 85.72%
147 Roger Williams University 149 3.21 65.0% 65.67% 80.1%
8 University of Virginia 61.0% $165,911 170 3.9 4.4% 4.5% 14.0% 95.6% 95.45% 123.3% 7.1
22 University of Notre Dame 75.5% $128,653 167 3.75 3.5% 4.0% 20.0% 81.4% 88.6% 119.12% 7.3
35 William & Mary Law School 63.4% $91,816 163 3.6 3.4% 3.8% 42.0% 67.0% 91.74% 117.26% 6.9
43 Indiana University - Bloomington 68.8% $96,220 162 3.78 3.3% 3.5% 43.0% 63.2% 83.52% 116.85% 7.0
58 Baylor University 72.7% $152,209 160 3.63 2.5% 3.3% 34.0% 66.5% 92.91% 116.86% 6.6
60 University of Nevada—Las Vegas 70.0% $83,715 159 3.67 2.7% 2.5% 31.0% 71.3% 85.12% 108.18% 7.0
78 Loyola University—Chicago 67.7% $108,960 159 3.41 2.6% 3.1% 44.0% 57.8% 84.26% 115.14% 5.3
81 Brooklyn Law School 68.0% $110,832 158 3.44 2.7% 2.9% 49.0% 58.5% 83.18% 98.37% 9.1
98 University of Hawaii 66.7% $89,242 154 3.42 2.6% 2.5% 40.0% 61.6% 75.9% 89.7% 4.5
102 Marquette University 154 3.5 51.0% 81.22% 129.14%
116 Albany Law School Of Union University 154 3.4 51.0% 81.62% 91.04%
119 University of Dayton 152 3.48 36.0% 83.33% 107.02%
134 University of South Dakota 149 3.56 64.0% 80.0% 94.7%
141 University of the Pacific (Mcgeorge) 154 3.4 56.0% 76.47% 94.1%
147 University of the District of Columbia 150 3.09 33.0% 56.92% 51.27%
147 University of San Francisco 153 3.32 49.0% 49.58% 55.78%
9 University of California—Berkeley 69.5% $139,251 168 3.81 4.5% 4.5% 22.0% 93.5% 92.07% 125.72% 6.1
24 University of North Carolina 63.8% $92,731 163 3.68 3.5% 3.8% 22.0% 68.7% 91.26% 117.31% 7.3
35 University of California—Davis 57.0% $114,895 163 3.72 3.5% 3.5% 33.0% 71.5% 83.12% 120.64% 9.1
43 University of Utah 84.8% $76,344 161 3.77 3.0% 3.2% 33.0% 75.3% 89.41% 107.5% 4.4
58 University of Connecticut 67.1% $89,211 158 3.53 2.9% 3.0% 45.0% 69.5% 82.86% 108.01% 5.9
60 Pennsylvania State - Dickinson Law 60.3% $54,503 160 3.39 2.5% 2.8% 39.0% 59.2% 91.23% 104.72% 6.0
78 University of Denver 73.8% $160,006 159 3.55 2.8% 3.0% 51.0% 59.7% 79.84% 105.44% 6.5
81 University of Cincinnati 71.3% $166,163 158 3.65 2.4% 2.8% 51.0% 54.2% 80.99% 107.58% 6.3
98 University of Louisville 78.4% $96,920 155 3.63 2.2% 2.7% 49.0% 69.9% 86.11% 99.12% 9.0
102 Drake University 155 3.46 69.0% 87.5% 102.8%
119 Hofstra University 154 3.37 46.0% 82.94% 69.71%
124 University of Maine 156 3.51 46.0% 73.68% 100.48%
139 University of Idaho 153 3.24 67.0% 72.92% 94.18%
144 Loyola University—New Orleans 151 3.32 64.0% 73.65% 87.29%
147 Elon University 150 3.3 46.0% 78.64% 89.91%
147 South Texas College Of Law—Houston 152 3.17 46.0% 72.52% 99.03%
10 University of Michigan 73.5% $129,791 169 3.76 4.4% 4.5% 16.0% 93.0% 93.49% 123.59% 7.2
25 Arizona State University 68.1% $93,824 165 3.83 3.3% 3.2% 26.0% 79.1% 89.01% 116.88% 5.5
40 Ohio State University 70.7% $89,946 161 3.79 3.3% 3.5% 35.0% 86.3% 86.31% 108.7% 6.3
45 University of Washington 67.3% $108,725 162 3.68 3.3% 3.5% 35.0% 62.1% 85.35% 111.31% 5.8
60 Tulane University 70.8% $140,964 159 3.54 3.2% 3.4% 53.0% 55.6% 77.71% 99.23% 7.0
60 University of Missouri 70.2% $71,073 158 3.66 2.5% 2.9% 55.0% 64.6% 82.61% 108.88% 7.0
78 Georgia State University 73.0% $76,978 158 3.52 2.8% 2.7% 29.0% 56.3% 81.09% 131.84% 6.3
81 Drexel University 70.2% $72,407 156 3.56 2.4% 2.7% 43.0% 61.9% 88.81% 97.73% 6.1
98 University of Mississippi 69.0% $71,333 156 3.51 2.3% 2.8% 42.0% 49.4% 81.31% 96.67% 10.0
102 CUNY 154 3.45 35.0% 80.36% 89.88%
119 Duquesne University 154 3.41 57.0% 86.24% 108.58%
124 Mercer University 153 3.41 45.0% 86.05% 121.3%
139 Pace University 151 3.33 51.0% 85.41% 89.36%
144 University of Memphis 153 3.33 47.0% 73.56% 99.33%
147 Southern Illinois University—Carbondale 150 3.29 50.0% 66.67% 76.65%
10 Duke University 65.4% $153,276 169 3.8 4.2% 4.4% 22.0% 93.6% 95.48% 123.7% 5.2
25 University of Alabama 61.4% $64,271 164 3.94 3.3% 3.3% 36.0% 77.9% 89.47% 114.6% 5.8
46 University of Arizona 58.9% $67,014 163 3.56 3.2% 2.9% 28.0% 65.7% 81.82% 89.53% 4.5
60 University of Tennessee 70.3% $73,092 159 3.63 2.6% 3.0% 33.0% 55.1% 86.73% 106.28% 6.4
86 University of San Diego 71.5% $140,294 159 3.65 2.8% 2.9% 39.0% 49.6% 74.86% 109.44% 8.1
102 Catholic University Of America 156 3.4 42.0% 80.58% 108.23%
126 Santa Clara University 156 3.34 55.0% 67.77% 93.0%
144 Samford University 152 3.49 68.0% 82.71% 99.16%
147 Mississippi College 148 3.22 70.0% 59.32% 77.5%
147 Southern University 144 2.98 62.0% 57.42% 85.36%
147 Touro College 149 3.07 50.0% 77.88% 76.3%
12 Northwestern University 65.6% $154,844 169 3.85 4.2% 4.4% 19.0% 93.1% 95.83% 120.93% 4.5
27 George Washington University 68.1% $154,992 166 3.76 3.5% 3.7% 34.0% 64.1% 84.29% 116.81% 7.0
46 Pepperdine University 70.5% $143,901 162 3.68 2.7% 3.2% 28.0% 84.3% 83.71% 117.46% 6.5
67 Northeastern University 77.9% $79,454 162 3.65 2.6% 2.9% 36.0% 52.0% 84.98% 106.79% 8.4
87 University of Nebraska 77.9% $63,027 156 3.63 2.5% 2.8% 66.0% 65.0% 87.18% 107.74% 8.4
102 Syracuse University 155 3.53 39.0% 74.86% 102.59%
126 University of St. Thomas (Minnesota) 154 3.51 69.0% 83.21% 100.81%
147 John Marshall Law School 151 3.27 57.0% 67.1% 79.58%
147 Mitchell Hamline 152 3.24 58.0% 72.97% 86.98%
147 Southwestern Law School 153 3.25 47.0% 64.5% 81.45%
147 University of Massachusetts Dartmouth 149 3.27 56.0% 69.57% 77.05%
13 Cornell University 60.4% $150,089 168 3.86 4.3% 4.3% 19.0% 90.5% 88.66% 114.42% 5.0
27 University of Georgia 66.5% $75,568 165 3.78 3.3% 3.5% 19.0% 81.8% 92.82% 135.38% 7.7
48 University of Colorado—Boulder 74.6% $103,795 163 3.65 3.2% 3.2% 37.0% 67.0% 84.62% 114.32% 6.4
67 University of Oklahoma 63.8% $79,755 157 3.63 2.6% 3.0% 54.0% 57.0% 92.53% 111.37% 10.0
88 University of New Hampshire 80.6% $74,092 156 3.46 2.1% 2.7% 57.0% 66.0% 83.61% 120.59% 5.1
102 Texas Tech University 156 3.56 37.0% 82.22% 106.29%
126 Seattle University 155 3.39 60.0% 69.78% 94.38%
147 Vermont Law School 152 3.19 65.0% 66.1% 64.04%
147 New England Law | Boston 152 3.27 71.0% 65.75% 86.24%
147 St. Mary's University 151 3.2 58.0% 72.86% 90.09%
147 Western Michigan University (Cooley) 147 2.94 44.0% 49.47% 50.93%
14 University of California—Los Angeles 67.9% $125,167 169 3.79 4.1% 4.2% 23.0% 83.2% 91.17% 126.11% 5.9
29 Emory University 62.1% $128,635 166 3.8 3.6% 3.9% 32.0% 69.5% 80.07% 115.0% 7.2
48 Florida State University 74.6% $63,773 161 3.72 3.1% 3.0% 30.0% 60.3% 85.88% 122.51% 7.3
67 University of Pittsburgh 80.3% $104,255 159 3.51 2.7% 3.1% 42.0% 50.2% 85.83% 105.09% 5.3
88 Florida International University 74.0% $90,946 158 3.65 2.1% 2.4% 27.0% 47.1% 88.81% 133.69% 8.1
109 Louisiana State University 155 3.45 52.0% 84.39% 111.11%
129 Gonzaga University 153 3.43 59.0% 72.9% 99.83%
147 Willamette University 152 3.07 64.0% 77.01% 103.19%
147 North Carolina Central University 145 3.24 44.0% 62.39% 96.94%
147 St. Thomas University (Florida) 150 3.23 52.0% 63.64% 94.02%
147 Western New England University 148 3.27 60.0% 59.26% 80.62%
15 Georgetown University 62.2% $163,977 168 3.78 4.2% 4.3% 20.0% 82.6% 85.76% 120.37% 4.8
29 University of Iowa 74.4% $94,846 161 3.64 3.3% 3.6% 60.0% 70.7% 93.57% 117.17% 7.3
50 University of Maryland 61.4% $123,144 160 3.66 3.0% 3.0% 36.0% 68.4% 87.56% 111.69% 6.2
70 Seton Hall University 68.7% $128,806 158 3.55 2.5% 2.9% 46.0% 86.1% 90.71% 117.47% 7.6
88 Lewis And Clark College 75.9% $141,497 158 3.49 2.5% 3.0% 61.0% 52.2% 83.33% 101.8% 7.5
109 Washburn University 155 3.39 51.0% 83.33% 97.9%
129 Quinnipiac University 152 3.46 60.0% 77.78% 98.62%
147 Appalachian School of Law 147 3.17 45.0% 51.61% 62.18%
147 University of North Dakota 148 3.34 66.0% 67.59% 99.57%
147 Texas Southern University 148 3.17 30.0% 57.8% 72.05%
147 Western State College Of Law 150 3.14 43.0% 57.55% 81.52%
A rank of 147 means that the school is not ranked by U.S. News & World Report.
* The data in this table is user-reported and may be inaccurate.
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  • 14:44 nervousreversesplitternc: WL FROM FSU AND PSU
  • 14:44 nervousreversesplitternc: BAD DAY
  • 14:44 nirvana: oh boy
  • 14:44 WetClammyCoyote: I applied to Rutgers at the end of November and was accepted at the start of Jan. I’m not sure if the whole UR thing bc I feel like when I looked at my statuses I was either just waiting a decision or went to straight A/WL/R.
  • 14:45 nirvana: confirmed at fsu now?
  • 14:45 nervousreversesplitternc: yup
  • 14:45 nervousreversesplitternc: got the official email this morning
  • 14:46 nervousreversesplitternc: I love how penn state writes in my WL letter "We hope you will consider this a positive step in the admissions process! Your application exhibits many strengths and we hope to eventually be able to offer you a spot in our incoming class."
  • 14:46 nervousreversesplitternc: THIS IS NOT A POSITIVE STEP
  • 14:46 WetClammyCoyote: 3.0low and 15low. I have a learning disability which made the LSAT incredibly difficult. And screwed up in college because I started out STEM ooof
  • 14:46 WetClammyCoyote: I guess I’ve been lucky considering
  • 14:46 TangyDeafeningPademelon: You got money though! That’s awesome
  • 14:46 TangyDeafeningPademelon: Thank you btw 😊
  • 14:46 WetClammyCoyote: Are you still waiting to hear from Rutgers?
  • 14:47 WetClammyCoyote: OFC!
  • 14:47 nervousreversesplitternc: oh and I have the stomach flu and had to go to the hospital last night because I vomited for ten straight hours, left hospital at 4 am. had a final at 8 am. one at 12pm. and one coming up at 3pm.
  • 14:47 nervousreversesplitternc: I actually want someone to shoot me
  • 14:47 TangyDeafeningPademelon: Yeah they were waiting on my April LSAT. Hoping I hear back ASAP. But I’m hearing about a month..
  • 14:47 nervousreversesplitternc: once wake forest hits me back my cycle is done
  • 14:48 TangyDeafeningPademelon: @nervousreversesplitternc: you’re amazing. Still getting shit done! Take a moment to be proud of yourself
  • 14:48 WetClammyCoyote: Keeping fingers crossed for you! I think they seem to be generous with money 😄
  • 14:48 nirvana: girl get some coconut water and pedialyte
  • 14:48 WetClammyCoyote: @nervousreversesplitternc: hope you feel better soon!
  • 14:48 nervousreversesplitternc: <3
  • 14:48 TangyDeafeningPademelon: @WetClammyCoyote: thank you!! Yes I heard but I’m nervous I applied too late in the cycle and not much money exists 😩
  • 14:49 nervousreversesplitternc: I think im going to send penn state a harshly worded email about how I think its complete bullshit they literally told everyone else who applied after me their decision within like 6-8 weeks, made me wait 15 whole weeks for a WAITLST aka more waiting
  • 14:49 nervousreversesplitternc: like I know im a splitter but Jesus h I was in their range
  • 14:49 nervousreversesplitternc: for lsat and gpa
  • 14:50 MR25percentile: @nervousreversesplitternc: i think ive seen ur messages on discord. stay hopeful. im on a bunch of waitlists rn and im hoping to get off of one
  • 14:50 nervousreversesplitternc: lol I left that discord
  • 14:50 nervousreversesplitternc: the only waitlist I've gotten off of was the only one I didnt write a loci for
  • 14:50 nervousreversesplitternc: make it make sense
  • 14:50 MR25percentile: i dont wanna pay sticker and i dont wanna r and r
  • 14:50 MR25percentile: sooo
  • 14:50 MR25percentile: im in no mans land
  • 14:50 nervousreversesplitternc: ha im in ur same boat
  • 14:51 usedtothinkiwasinteresting: damn big day for RayBradbury
  • 14:51 MR25percentile: why?
  • 14:51 RayBradbury: I was just updating results from the last two weeks
  • 14:51 nirvana: dont do it unless you dont wanna be in the mix anymore
  • 14:52 harrystylesismyking: @RayBradbury: congrats on harvard!
  • 14:52 usedtothinkiwasinteresting: ohhhh hahah congratulations though!!
  • 14:52 RayBradbury: @harrystylesismyking: thanks!
  • 14:54 KingKong: NERVOUS!!!
  • 14:54 KingKong: I WAS WORRIED!
  • 14:55 KingKong: Im sorry about FSU :(
  • 14:58 KingKong: Penn State didnt tell me that they hope to offer me a spot so maybe that is a good sign for you?
  • 15:03 TanAliveTamarin: looks like a lot of people got the waitlist release from Yale
  • 15:03 TanAliveTamarin: I just wish I didnt stress so much over my LOCI since it was a waste of ****ing time lol
  • 15:13 LawSchoolPanda: @nervousreversesplitternc: got waitlisted at FSU aswell looks like we’re gonna have some crappy summers lol
  • 15:15 ThisIsTheEnd: @SouthernYank97: Anything happen when I was gone?
  • 15:16 SouthernYank97: Yale Rs
  • 15:20 HalfUnknownSnail: ok.. while I appreciate everyone updating their A/R/WL's for future generations.. the fact that EVERYONE seems to be doing it now is getting a little annoying
  • 15:20 HalfUnknownSnail: we are trying to read the tea leaves on schools here.
  • 15:22 ThisIsTheEnd: @SouthernYank97: That has to be a good thing right??
  • 15:22 ThisIsTheEnd: Like they will eventually take some kids off the WL for A's
  • 15:22 SouthernYank97: lets hope it means no violence haha
  • 15:24 UghSad: @ThisIsTheEnd: im not sure if u were asking about yale but theyre full and expecting little to no movement so it makes sense to cut down the pool
  • 15:25 ThisIsTheEnd: If theyre not expecting movement wouldnt they just cut everyone then?
  • 15:28 UghSad: @ThisIsTheEnd: no, if ppl deffer or they lose ppl over the summer they might take some1 to replace them but it wouldnt be a lot of movement so they are probably keeping a smaller pool for that
  • 15:30 Law101: So i outright asked them since they are vague but fordham is full as of now. Why they dont announce it idk
  • 15:34 HalfUnknownSnail: @Law101: Are you PWL?
  • 15:34 GatorAlum1996: Is UF full? Has anyone asked?
  • 15:37 sadsadsadsadsadsad: @Law101: they did announce it they sent an email to the waitlist yesterday saying it was full
  • 15:37 sadsadsadsadsadsad: from what i understand that email was sent to the regular waitlist, not the PWL
  • 15:41 ImAliveButImDead: @SouthernYank97: have you done your daily BU WL->A manifestation yet? we need to collectively summon them
  • 15:43 SouthernYank97: GIVE
  • 15:43 SouthernYank97: A
  • 15:43 SouthernYank97: WAVE
  • 15:43 SouthernYank97: GIVE A WAVRE
  • 15:43 SouthernYank97:
    ༼つ ◕_◕༽つ G I V E⭐A⭐W A V E ༼つ ◕_◕༽つ
  • 15:43 SouthernYank97: ༼つ ◕_◕༽つ G I V E⭐BU -> A⭐W A V E ༼つ ◕_◕༽つ
  • 15:44 ImAliveButImDead: ༼つ ◕_◕༽つ G I V E⭐BU -> A⭐W A V E ༼つ ◕_◕༽つ
  • 15:46 harrystylesismyking: amen
  • 15:46 harrystylesismyking: @ImAliveButImDead: have we talked about BU before
  • 15:47 harrystylesismyking: if not welcome to the BU WL support group
  • 15:55 DooleyLivesOnForever: why wont UGA just deny me already
  • 15:55 DooleyLivesOnForever: what is the point of ""reviewing"" my application for 3 months
  • 15:56 DooleyLivesOnForever: 9 down 4 left i just need the other 4 to put me out of my MISERY
  • 15:57 ImAliveButImDead: @harrystylesismyking: yes I believe we have, we talked about my unfortunate cycle and how I am begging BU at this point
  • 15:59 harrystylesismyking: ugh
  • 15:59 harrystylesismyking: soryy
  • 15:59 harrystylesismyking: sorry*
  • 16:00 harrystylesismyking: these nicknames kill me i am so bad at remember who is who
  • 16:01 ImAliveButImDead: all good! i take frequent breaks from lsdata besides checking BU's page
  • 16:03 HalfUnknownSnail: I do think it is a bad sign for the schools who have been quiet thus far
  • 16:04 HalfUnknownSnail: Schools seem to either know they have slots (Mich, GULC, Harvard) or are making massive cuts (Penn/WUSTL/Yale)
  • 16:05 HalfUnknownSnail: I am guessing that if they aren't doing anything right now.. they know they are pretty much full.. but just probably not by enough to feel comfortable with what the programs above them are going to do.
  • 16:06 harrystylesismyking: talking about BU or in general
  • 16:06 HalfUnknownSnail: In general. BU in particular seems over committed. They admitted almost 600 on LSdata
  • 16:06 harrystylesismyking: they have some spots
  • 16:07 JDawg2JD: @nervousreversesplitternc: I got that Waitlist this morning too on FSU. I withdrew. So that ends my cycle
  • 16:07 ImAliveButImDead: BU said they have spots, i am just anxiously awaiting
  • 16:07 HalfUnknownSnail: @harrystylesismyking: Like I said.. they are in the category who are "pretty much full"
  • 16:08 harrystylesismyking: right but im not sure if they would say they will have spots if they over committed
  • 16:08 HalfUnknownSnail: meaning an insignificant number in total. I know it's not insignificant to anyone who gets one of those spots - but it isnt the 50+ at HLS
  • 16:08 HalfUnknownSnail: another thought on BU
  • 16:09 HalfUnknownSnail: they have one of the cheaper seat deposit (500)
  • 16:10 HalfUnknownSnail: I have a feeling their Double Deposit reports are showing there is quite a bit of double depositting
  • 16:10 DevilishSkillfulBracke: did the double deposit reports already come out?
  • 16:10 HalfUnknownSnail: I feel like that could be the issue with a few of the big programs. They will want to know how those deposits land
  • 16:11 HalfUnknownSnail: If they didn't then I would just say even more so they are holding till they see how it shakes out
  • 16:11 ImAliveButImDead: i think thats why BU said that they will be admitting gradually into the summer. bc they're prolly gonna wait until the second deposit
  • 16:11 ImAliveButImDead: but they've been rejecting people of WL almost every day
  • 16:12 somethingspecial: So many r's today
  • 16:21 HalfUnknownSnail: BU needs to know what happens with the t16 programs
  • 16:24 splitter99: I’m sure a lot of ppl deposited at BU are on a lot of WLs as well. I am and my stats are nothing crazy
  • 16:28 Law101: @HalfUnknownSnail: yes doesn't seem to matter why they didnt give an email to everyone idk
  • 16:29 Law101: like why send out email to one group and not the other if it is the same regardless
  • 16:34 Amethyst: I've decided to sing Let it Go everyday
  • 16:42 HalfUnknownSnail: hmmm.. I think because they actually will get to PWL if a spot opens up - where as normal WL its easier to say "we're full and won't get to you even if spots do open up"
  • 16:42 pull-up-in-the-monster-automobile-gangster: will stanny wake up today
  • 16:51 DefectiveBreakablePersian: Got a waitlist form here and the final question is an optional one asking about other schools I'm considering / plans for the fall. Is it a trap or should I answer it?
  • 16:57 SouthernYank97: Answer it
  • 16:57 SouthernYank97: Id answer it*
  • 17:05 burnercell: @HalfUnknownSnail: this is what I think too. They are full, but they’ve only collected first deposits and it’s inevitable at least one person would drop off. That person would be pwl.
  • 17:06 burnercell: (Their replacement I mean)
  • 17:06 TheMilkMan: Got into my first law school woo
  • 17:06 its-batman: yeah i'm pretty sure ppl will drop :D this could be the cycle with the most wl movement all time
  • 17:06 TheMilkMan: I’m goin to be a lawyer!!!
  • 17:06 its-batman: @TheMilkMan: congrats!!!!!!
  • 17:06 burnercell: Yay!!!
  • 17:06 DevilishSkillfulBracke: @TheMilkMan: WOOHOO
  • 17:06 DevilishSkillfulBracke: thats fantastic! Congrats!!!!!
  • 17:07 TheMilkMan: :D
  • 17:07 harrystylesismyking: @TheMilkMan: congrats!
  • 17:08 its-batman: any word on sls waitlist movement?
  • 17:10 pull-up-in-the-monster-automobile-gangster: SLS hasn't even gotten back to some applicants for an initial decision
  • 17:11 dnithr: I found a SLS blog from a while back that said they didn't even look at their waitlist until May 10th that year
  • 17:11 dnithr: Because they gave some offers with a deadline of then
  • 17:11 dnithr: I think they won't look at the WL until next week
  • 17:20 JinxCatmilton: Has anyone heard from UT today
  • 17:29 its-batman: @dnithr: sweet this cycle may be more delayed but that'd be quick
  • 17:32 westcoastlawyer: anyone get a harvard interview?
  • 17:36 UghSad: I think sls will look later since they arent even done eith initial decisions
  • 17:36 correl: decent amount of people that havent heard from SLS yet
  • 17:37 correl: i'd estimate maybe 100?
  • 17:40 correl: back of the envelope math: the average % of applicants on LSD responding with results from H/Y/Chicago (three peer schools that seem to be done admitting) is around 85%. SLS has gotten back to ~71% of applicants, leaving 14% left, assuming that the non-response rate is constant and the proxy-comparison is reasonable. that would actually suggest ~200 people JUST on LSD. if you assume that LSD is like half the applicant pool (maybe more?) then you can end up with an estimate as high as 400
  • 17:41 correl: there's a ton of uncertainty/assumptions there, but basically it suggests that there are a few hundred (100-400) people who have not yet heard back from stanford....
  • 17:42 UghSad: Tbh i would be surprised if theyre not pretty much full
  • 17:47 FlawlessExpensiveDog: hmm that sounds like a lot of math. why dont we just take attendance (im here !)
  • 17:51 Law101: @burnercell: yes perhaps one person drops out but what are the chances that enough will drop out lol... it would have to probably depend on other schools taking people off their lists resulting in withdrawals resulting in people taking those spots
  • 18:12 nervousreversesplitternc: I was wondering if I could get an explanation as to why it took 14 weeks to get a decision back on my application. To be frank, I know it is not because of the “unusually high volume of applications” or “covid” because dozens of people who applied long after me received their decisions before me; some in February, some in March, and some in April. I managed to submit my application on time even though I too had to deal with “covid” and “extreme circumstances” this year. I do not need any sugarcoa
  • 18:12 nervousreversesplitternc: do I dare send this ^
  • 18:12 nervousreversesplitternc: oh wait the second half cut off
  • 18:13 nirvana: noo
  • 18:13 nervousreversesplitternc: I do not need any sugarcoating, I want a real answer as to why I was continually passed over while everyone else heard back. Also, I would like to inform you that I will be withdrawing my application, as I do not have any desire to attend an institution that so blatantly disrespected my time and gave me false hope.
  • 18:13 nirvana: this will get you removed from the waitlist
  • 18:13 nervousreversesplitternc: yes
  • 18:13 nervousreversesplitternc: I am aware of that lol I am angry at them (penn state)
  • 18:14 nervousreversesplitternc: ugh im not gonna send it I dont want to give them unescessary hell
  • 18:14 nervousreversesplitternc: im just so frustrated
  • 18:15 nirvana: i wouldnt send they wont give you the answer youre looking for and to them it doesnt matter that you waited you have a decision and that is all
  • 18:15 nervousreversesplitternc: ya thats the thing I feel like even if I sent it they still wouldn't give me the answer I want lol
  • 18:16 nirvana: nope haha and they could pass the email around and it wouldnt look good
  • 18:16 nervousreversesplitternc: omg yeah I didnt even think of that lol
  • 18:17 correl: do not send this. i understand your frustration but they are not going to reply and it wont help you feel better. and if it circulates it will look very bad for you
  • 18:17 nirvana: yes cause this is an unusual thing to send so its a no go dont do it
  • 18:17 correl: also, 14 weeks is not really that long. i know that sounds harsh, but there are schools that have taken 20+ weeks to get back to applicants
  • 18:17 nervousreversesplitternc: yeah all of these schools have been so crazy this year
  • 18:17 correl: like, look. i truly am sorry
  • 18:17 nervousreversesplitternc: I won't send it
  • 18:18 nervousreversesplitternc: but it felt good to type it out
  • 18:18 correl: it sucks to have schools jerk people around like this and i really do hope that writing that out was cathartic
  • 18:18 WetClammyCoyote: Guys. Halp. I just got a huge pay increase and I had my heart set on school but now I’m confused
  • 18:19 nervousreversesplitternc: would u be making more $ than you would as a lawyer
  • 18:19 nervousreversesplitternc: /do you like your job
  • 18:20 DevilishSkillfulBracke: @nervousreversesplitternc: i vote send it
  • 18:20 DevilishSkillfulBracke: I would
  • 18:20 nervousreversesplitternc: nahhh.
  • 18:20 DevilishSkillfulBracke: id also be insanely curious as to their response
  • 18:20 nervousreversesplitternc: I dont want that sent to other schools and I feel like its aggressive
  • 18:20 DevilishSkillfulBracke: bet it felt good to type
  • 18:20 DevilishSkillfulBracke: sorry
  • 18:20 DevilishSkillfulBracke: ohhh
  • 18:20 nervousreversesplitternc: it did feel good to type
  • 18:20 WetClammyCoyote: Not even close to what I would be making as a lawyer and I do ish. I think it’s contributed a lot to my mental health and I’ve been dying to leave due to starting school in august so
  • 18:20 DevilishSkillfulBracke: didn't think about sending it to other schools
  • 18:20 DevilishSkillfulBracke: good call
  • 18:20 DevilishSkillfulBracke: also im sorry
  • 18:21 nervousreversesplitternc: @WetClammyCoyote: hmmmm, so what are you confused about
  • 18:21 harrystylesismyking: @WetClammyCoyote: like your job is negatively impacted your mental health?
  • 18:21 harrystylesismyking: has**
  • 18:28 WetClammyCoyote: I feel like I’ve been miserable since the start of the year but so has everyone else I guess. Everyone else is overworked too. Maybe defer and have the ability to pay more hahaha. Idk maybe I’m just on a high from the news and tomorrow will come to my senses
  • 18:30 harrystylesismyking: it's definitely something to think about! if you have an offer you're excited about, then you might be happier starting school sooner. If you're thinking about R&R then it's just more money for another year
  • 18:30 burnercell: @Law101: i mean if you’re that one person it’ll be enough lol. The whole pwl was never going to get in, we just have a better chance.
  • 18:30 ZonkedDecisiveOctopus: columbia sends an email... and it has a typo first sentence
  • 18:31 harrystylesismyking: but if you are truly unhappy with your job, you could regret putting school off another year if you have a good option for your goals
  • 18:32 WetClammyCoyote: You’re right. Thank you both !!
  • 18:56 nervousreversesplitternc: @WetClammyCoyote: Yeah, I think its definitely something to be excited about, but I always like to wait at least 24 hours before I make a big decision so I don't do things in the heat of the moment
  • 19:20 Law101: @burnercell: true, but isn't finding out they are already full kinda lessen your chances. that means that like with Upenn they went through the list once so no need to add anyone except for part-time
  • 20:24 PierPissolini: Bout to do this Northwestern interview late as ****, manifest for me lads
  • 20:29 SkoBuffsV: @PierPissolini: good luck! Just did mine a few days ago
  • 20:48 nirvana: is the vandy wl gonna move
  • 23:34 LawSchoolPanda: In at Tulane!!! My first choice I’m so excited
  • 23:34 LawSchoolPanda: This late too
  • 1:04 LawSchoolPanda: everyone on lsd is asleep but its okay
  • 1:05 LawSchoolPanda: hello to whoever sees this in the morning
  • 1:37 aftermaths: Congrats!!!!!
  • 2:58 TastelessAnnoyedSponge: Hey!!!!